Those Billions of Covid Deaths

[Tom Kunich]

The group I ride with has about 20 members. All but three are older than me and one of them is 90 and has an irregular heart beat that has to be shocked back into proper beat every couple of months. He presently lives in a retirement home that has a hundred old people most of whom are in poor health. Some in wheelchairs and unable to do any kind of exercise.

Our group had ONE person die in the last two years and it was from the effects of Alzheimer's disease.

According to Russy, everyone in this group should have died or be on the verge of doing so. Why hospitals were resorting to refrigerator trucks to store the bodies. Just ask Russy, he knows!

My neighborhood has very many old people including a vet from the Korean War whose mail gets dropped off at my place once in awhile since the addresses are nearly alike but a block away.

Why has this deadly disease no killed anyone in my riding group many of whom have comorbidities and are over the average age of death from covid-19? Why has no one in the neighborhood died from this absolutely ferociously deadly disease?

Because covid-19 is nothing more than another flu and while it CAN kill older people who are very, very sick, it doesn't kill people. Just like all influenzas, it makes you sick.

But if there is anything that Russy loves it is a tale from the mouth of Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda who said that if you tell a large enough lie often enough it becomes the truth.

And Russy just soaks this up. A moron by any other name still stands in line to be a fool.

[Tom Kunich]

I want to show you something. Here is a report on the financial status of the mortuary business. Halfway down the article is the profits of the business. 2020 was supposedly the year that we had the most covid-19 deaths. And yet the profits of this business increased by only 0.7% which is LOWER than the population growth. Why do you suppose people were so willing to believe that with 2 million illegal aliens pouring into this country with every possible disease, that we had a lower death rate than population growth and the claim is that we had a killer disease threatening you?

https://brandongaille.com/26-mortuary-industry-statistics-and-trends/

The love of a tyranny is built into the leftist mind and they cannot live without it. So this is why they so easily accept lies of any sort and size.

Here is another CDC chart that they stopped updating because it made what was going on too clear. The red line at the end is the rapid growth of covid-19. That being so why was there no change in total deaths?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html

A fool and his money are soon parted. Biden's world had 7.5% growth in the cost of living just last month and THIS is a lie. They simply use items that are used the least and have no growth (like automobiles) and they can show any cost of living growth that looks the least obnoxious.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:46:36 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> The group I ride with has about 20 members. All but three are older than me and one of them is 90 and has an irregular heart beat that has to be shocked back into proper beat every couple of months. He presently lives in a retirement home that has a hundred old people most of whom are in poor health. Some in wheelchairs and unable to do any kind of exercise.
>
> Our group had ONE person die in the last two years and it was from the effects of Alzheimer's disease.
>
> According to Russy, everyone in this group should have died or be on the verge of doing so. Why hospitals were resorting to refrigerator trucks to store the bodies. Just ask Russy, he knows!
>
> My neighborhood has very many old people including a vet from the Korean War whose mail gets dropped off at my place once in awhile since the addresses are nearly alike but a block away.
>
> Why has this deadly disease no killed anyone in my riding group many of whom have comorbidities and are over the average age of death from covid-19? Why has no one in the neighborhood died from this absolutely ferociously deadly disease?

From February 10, 2022, about 7:19 Eastern time.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
77,179,255 Covid cases
910,373 Covid deaths
331,893,745 USA population

23.25% of the USA population has been infected. Probably have to reduce this percentage because some have caught the virus more than once.
0.2743% of the USA population has died from Covid.
1.18% of all those infected with Covid have died. Covid really isn't all that deadly. It kills a little over 1 in a 100 who get it.

>
> Because covid-19 is nothing more than another flu and while it CAN kill older people who are very, very sick, it doesn't kill people. Just like all influenzas, it makes you sick.
>
> But if there is anything that Russy loves it is a tale from the mouth of Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda who said that if you tell a large enough lie often enough it becomes the truth.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1070362852/trump-big-lie-election-jan-6-families
"One year after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, when mobs stormed in, trying to stop Congress from certifying the election of President Biden, the "Big Lie" that drove it all remains as widespread as it has ever been."
"Countless recounts, courts, commissions and private contractors — including Republicans — have all dismissed former President Donald Trump's claims that the election was stolen. But a new NPR/Ipsos poll shows that two-thirds of Republican voters and just over one-third of all voters still believe it."

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 10:40:59 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:46:36 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > The group I ride with has about 20 members. All but three are older than me and one of them is 90 and has an irregular heart beat that has to be shocked back into proper beat every couple of months. He presently lives in a retirement home that has a hundred old people most of whom are in poor health. Some in wheelchairs and unable to do any kind of exercise.
> >
> > Our group had ONE person die in the last two years and it was from the effects of Alzheimer's disease.
> >
> > According to Russy, everyone in this group should have died or be on the verge of doing so. Why hospitals were resorting to refrigerator trucks to store the bodies. Just ask Russy, he knows!
> >
> > My neighborhood has very many old people including a vet from the Korean War whose mail gets dropped off at my place once in awhile since the addresses are nearly alike but a block away.
> >
> > Why has this deadly disease no killed anyone in my riding group many of whom have comorbidities and are over the average age of death from covid-19? Why has no one in the neighborhood died from this absolutely ferociously deadly disease?
> >
> > Because covid-19 is nothing more than another flu and while it CAN kill older people who are very, very sick, it doesn't kill people. Just like all influenzas, it makes you sick.
> >
> > But if there is anything that Russy loves it is a tale from the mouth of Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda who said that if you tell a large enough lie often enough it becomes the truth.
> >
> > And Russy just soaks this up. A moron by any other name still stands in line to be a fool.
> I want to show you something. Here is a report on the financial status of the mortuary business. Halfway down the article is the profits of the business. 2020 was supposedly the year that we had the most covid-19 deaths. And yet the profits of this business increased by only 0.7% which is LOWER than the population growth. Why do you suppose people were so willing to believe that with 2 million illegal aliens pouring into this country with every possible disease, that we had a lower death rate than population growth and the claim is that we had a killer disease threatening you?
>
> https://brandongaille.com/26-mortuary-industry-statistics-and-trends/

The mortuary business makes almost all its money/profit from selling very expensive caskets, vaults, monuments, etc. All the added extras for the dearly departed soul. The mortuary business HATES cremation, which eats into its profit. Its cheap, comparatively, to cremate instead of bury someone. And of course in 2020, you could not have big mass attendance funerals. So everything was smaller and lower cost to bury or cremate someone in 2020. Less mark up on less overall expenses.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251702/cremation-rate-in-the-united-states/

[Tom Kunich]

Shouldn't you be getting your latest booster? https://www.newstarget.com/2022-02-10-mysterious-clotting-in-65percent-deceased-vaccinated-individuals.html

[Tom Kunich]

I hate to explain this to you Russy, but most older people have burial insurance and go the whole 9 yards. I'm sure your relatives will burn you in the BBQ

[Tom Kunich]

By the way, as a combat veteran I can be buried with full military honors in Arlington if I wanted.

[AMuzi]

All that's true and more besides. Morticians enjoy
'regulatory capture' in restrictive licensing and in many
States the statute requires embalming before being burnt.

As in so many areas it has changed from an industry to a racket.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[John B.]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:41:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

And Idiot tommy strikes again!

Even a casual looks shows that:

A person qualifies for burial at Arlington if:

The deceased died on Title 10 Active Duty. A person is said to be
under Title 10 Active Duty if they are service members ordered to
federal-level active duty for federal-level missions.

The deceased retired from active duty and was receiving active duty
retirement pay. This means that you or your loved one served in the
Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines for a period of 20 years. The
service member could also have been a member of the Reserve or
National Guard for twenty years and had reached the age of 60.

The deceased received a Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross,
Navy Cross, Air Force Cross, Distinguished Service Medal, Silver Star,
or Purple Heart. The Medal of Honor is the highest of these honors. It
is given to military members who risked their lives beyond an ordinary
act of bravery against an enemy of the U.S.

The deceased was any former active-duty military prisoner of war who
died on or after Nov. 30, 1993. The law detailing who may receive
burial was enacted in November of 1993.

Surviving spouses of soldiers may be buried next to their loved
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Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:35:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Shouldn't you be getting your latest booster? https://www.newstarget.com/2022-02-10-mysterious-clotting-in-65percent-deceased-vaccinated-individuals.html

We've been here before. That's fibrin (clotted blood):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrin>
It's quite "rubbery".

"Blood clots outstretch rubber bands in odd test" (Aug 2006)
<https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/blood-clots-outstretch-rubber-bands-odd-test-flna1c9438829>

Here's another version of the same story by Richard Hirschman from 12
days ago:
"Funeral director finds bizarre, rubbery blood clots in bodies of the
vaccinated"
<https://vaccines.news/2022-01-29-rubbery-blood-clots-in-bodies-of-vaccinated.html>

I'm having difficulties finding any reference to a Richard Hirschman
as an embalmer or funeral director. The various articles claim he's
spent 20 years working in the industry, yet I can't find any
indication of where he has worked. I did find a Dr Richard J.
Hirschman, an oncologist and hematology specialist at Mount Sinai Beth
Israel Hospital in New York city. However, he's been practicing
medicine for 57 years, which seems a poor match. Is Richard Hirschman
real?

Only one fact check site has picked up the story so far:
"No clear evidence that COVID vaccines are responsible for strange
blood clots observed by embalmers"
<https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/09/newswars/no-clear-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-responsibl/>
By Naseem Ferdowsi February 9, 2022
"Embalmers say they have noticed an uptick in unusual blood clots. But
experts noted that the COVID-19 infection itself can cause blood
vessel inflammation, damage to very small vessels, and blood clots. We
rate this claim Mostly False."

There will probably be other fact checks. I can wait.

[ 40 minutes wasted ]


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[John B.]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 20:05:12 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

I wonder, what exactly does an Embalmer do? Lets assume that someone
drops down dead, whether at home or in the hospital. then what? From
shooting deer it appears to me that if the blood isn't drained fairly
soon after death that it does start to coagulate in the veins and
arteries. Are humans different?

Does an Embalmer leap out of the woodwork and start the process
immediately the person expires? Is he called in some days later? And
what exactly does he do? What is the condition of the blood system
after some time?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:08:17 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I wonder, what exactly does an Embalmer do? Lets assume that someone
>drops down dead, whether at home or in the hospital. then what? From
>shooting deer it appears to me that if the blood isn't drained fairly
>soon after death that it does start to coagulate in the veins and
>arteries. Are humans different?

Humans are the same. The basic idea is to make the dead person look
presentable for an open casket funeral. It works mostly by preventing
or slowing killing off bacteria and preventing decomposition. There
are several embalming fluids involved.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embalming_chemicals>

>Does an Embalmer leap out of the woodwork and start the process
>immediately the person expires?

No. If a person dies, they are first taken to the morgue, where they
are frozen to slow decomposition. If necessary, an autopsy is
performed nearby. The body is also identified by multiple methods.
When the coroner eventually signs the necessary release forms, the
body is transferred to a mortuary, crematorium, or medical research
facility as designated by the family of the deceased. If a doctor was
in attendance at the time of death, then the doctor signs the death
certificate. If not, some counties require an autopsy. Once the body
reaches the mortuary, and a decision is made as to the type of
funeral, then the embalmer takes over. The choice of embalming fluids
and funeral preparation depends on the type of funeral. Open casket
funerals attempt to make the deceased look like they were still alive.
Closed casket are considerably less aesthetic especially for
automobile accident victims, where re-assembling the body parts and
pieces would be a major challenge.

>Is he called in some days later?

The embalmer(s) become involved after the body is released from the
morgue by the coroner. If an autopsy is involved, that can be as long
as 2 to 3 weeks after death.

>And what exactly does he do?

I don't want to go into the details. Basically, the embalmer makes
the body look presentable for a funeral by slowing or stopping
decomposition.

>What is the condition of the blood system
>after some time?

After the heart stops pumping, the blood system just stops. If left
alone, the blood coagulates, forms clots, and eventually leaks into
the body cavity.

See: livor mortis or lividity:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livor_mortis>
<https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/livor-mortis>

Assuming the body isn't frozen, this comes under "determining time of
death" where the body goes through various stages of decomposition.
Decomposition begins about 48 hrs after death.
"Rigor Mortis, Livor Mortis, Pallor Mortis, Algor Mortis: Forensic
Science Explains Stages of Death"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=intBEYKlaGY>

When I worked in a mortuary as assistant embalmer (floor sweeper), I
rarely saw bodies that had decomposed to the point where livor mortis
was involved. At the mortuary, the blood was removed and replaced by
embalming fluids before I saw anything. Unfortunately, I did see some
cadavers that had been dead for quite some time. They were bloated
with half or more of the lower body parts turned red or purple. Not a
pretty sight.

Could you find something more pleasant to discuss in RBT?

[sms]

On 2/10/2022 8:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> There will probably be other fact checks. I can wait.

And all those other fact checks will have zero effect on those
individuals that lack any critical thinking skills and that are heavily
invested in conspiracy theories that support their political beliefs. Do
you think that anyone that gets their "news" from OAN, Newstarget, or
the New York Post, ever does any fact checking?

[Tim R]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:32:51 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 2/10/2022 8:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > There will probably be other fact checks. I can wait.
> And all those other fact checks will have zero effect on those
> individuals that lack any critical thinking skills and that are heavily
> invested in conspiracy theories that support their political beliefs.

Wrong. Those fact checks do NOT have zero effect.

Paradoxically, they actually harden the false beliefs. Being shown how wrong you are causes you to double down and insist even more vehemently you are right. (I can support my contention with evidence presented every single day on this forum. Or, you could read the excellent recent book Rationality by Stephen Pinker. All of his books are worth reading, by the way, especially Angels of our Better Nature. But I digress.)

This is a problem very resistant to solution.

Apparently something called Motivational Interviewing has some promise, but I don't know much about it.

[Tom Kunich]

There's the genius using Fact Checks again. I have yet to find one of them telling the entire truth. But that doesn't matter to little Jeffy who is in the business of lying to support his position. Tell us Jeffy, since they haven't even yet shown that SARS-Cov-2 exists, how do they know that this was what caused raised levels of Factor V? What they KNOW is that some sort of respiratory disease that puts people on ventilators might or might not cause a rise in Factor V. And the ventilator itself may cause this since they were so fast to put people on ventilators even before they were required and almost no people on ventilators got off. And this is NOT unusual for people put on ventilators. This is why they now use methods other than ventilators unless it is absolutely necessary.

[Tom Kunich]

Scharf - you are accompanied by many other losers on the left and people are sick and tired of the likes of you.
https://peterlegyel.wordpress.com/2022/02/09/how-fact-checking-is-controlled-and-faked/
https://www.newsbusters.org/fact-checkers
https://researchguides.journalism.cuny.edu/c.php?g=547454&p=4256107

I could go on but your lot is finished probably forever.

[Tom Kunich]

Look at how the quadrumvirate insists that 900,000 people above normal were killed by covid-19 despite the fact that the CDC says otherwise, that only some 200,000 extra actually died and almost entirely from the effects of the lockdowns, and even though the growth in mortuary profits was a very small part of the population increase.

They have every intent of being right no matter what the truth and the facts.

When I watched President Trump say one thing and every "fact checker" report that he said something else 180 degree opposite of what he actually said, I never believed a word from them again. But they have so much power over people's minds that a Federal Investigator I know would watch something happen in real life and then quote fact checkers to prove his own eyes and ears wrong. This has to be the definition of mental illness.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/11/2022 1:06 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:08:17 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>> I wonder, what exactly does an Embalmer do? ...

>
>> And what exactly does he do?
>
> I don't want to go into the details. Basically, the embalmer makes
> the body look presentable for a funeral by slowing or stopping
> decomposition.

I've been present for one or two embalmings. I agree, the details are
best skipped.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:42:50 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> a Federal Investigator I know would watch something happen in real life and then quote fact checkers to prove his own eyes and ears wrong. This has to be the definition of mental illness.

The mental illness is in the laughable claims that you know people you have never met. You know federal investigators, surgeons, lawyers....Sure sparky - I guess that would be "Mitty's Corollary".

[John B.]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 06:32:46 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

Good Lord! Are you trying to tell us that the moon landings actually
happened? When it is so obvious that they didn't? After all the moon
is blue cheese and trying to land a rocket on blue cheese? Ridiculous
Sir! Ridiculous!
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Several hundred years ago Francis Bacon stated that "man believes only
what he wants to be true" (or words to that effect) and obviously
mankind hasn't changes a bit since (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:28:13 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

"I have yet to find one of them telling the entire truth"???

Does any one else see this as a, well, a bit ludicrous? Coming from
that well known pinnacle of truth as our very own tommy?

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

'm still waiting for you to explain how I'm "misinterpreting" that CDC site. Seems like all you closeted queers no one knows anything but you. Until you're put on the spot of actually explaining yourself.

[John B.]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:42:47 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:00:40 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:32:51 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> > On 2/10/2022 8:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> > > There will probably be other fact checks. I can wait.
>> > And all those other fact checks will have zero effect on those
>> > individuals that lack any critical thinking skills and that are heavily
>> > invested in conspiracy theories that support their political beliefs.
>> Wrong. Those fact checks do NOT have zero effect.
>>
>> Paradoxically, they actually harden the false beliefs. Being shown how wrong you are causes you to double down and insist even more vehemently you are right. (I can support my contention with evidence presented every single day on this forum. Or, you could read the excellent recent book Rationality by Stephen Pinker. All of his books are worth reading, by the way, especially Angels of our Better Nature. But I digress.)
>>
>> This is a problem very resistant to solution.
>>
>> Apparently something called Motivational Interviewing has some promise, but I don't know much about it.
>
>Look at how the quadrumvirate insists that 900,000 people above normal were killed by covid-19 despite the fact that the CDC says otherwise, that only some 200,000 extra actually died and almost entirely from the effects of the lockdowns, and even though the growth in mortuary profits was a very small part of the population increase.
>

No tommy the CDC says:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totalcases
TOTAL CASES - 77,345,683
TOTAL DEATHS - 912,757
Updated Mon-Sat by 8 pm ET†
and
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard
excess deaths since 2/1/2020 1,023,916

And... the Christian Bible includes the statement that, "there are
none so blind as those that refuse to see".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

"You know federal investigators, surgeons, lawyers...."???

Well, of course he has. Our very own Walter Mitty Kunich "knows" many
things while in the thores of his dementia.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

That's been done multiple times. learn to read. And work on that homosexual projection, its only going to continue to eat away at you until you accept it.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Tommy's continued existence is ludicrous, evidence that "god has a sick sense of humor"

[AMuzi]

*OT item below, ignore if you wish*

Regarding 'fact check' ( i.e. propaganda) services, here's
the HSS initial report including the actual US Government
press release document:

https://cnsnews.com/article/washington/michael-w-chapman/biden-hhs-fund-crack-pipe-distribution-part-30-million-harm

And here's the 'fact check'. Note: This is not from The
Onion, it's from their actual website 8 February 2022, but
has since been removed because even left wing politicians
screamed over the new policy proposal which was withdrawn:

"In February 2022, right-leaning outlets reported
breathlessly that the Biden administration had plans to fund
the distribution of crack pipes in order to advance the
cause of racial equity...

"Collectively, these articles gave readers a grossly
misleading and reductive presentation of what was a real
substance abuse harm reduction grant overseen by the Biden
administration in early 2022. We are issuing a rating of
'Mostly False.'

"It's true that the grant description required teh provision
of smoking kits - an established component of harm reduction
strategy - but in reality, those kits constituted just one
of several subcomponents of an even longer list of
requirements for grant recipients. In other words, while
outraged media coverage focused almost exclusively on 'crack
pipes', this was actually only a very small part of the program.

"Secondly, the provision of safer smoking supplies did not
have as its purpose advancing the cause of racial equity.
Rather its purpose was, quite logically, to reduce harm and
infection among existing drug users. However, the grant
description did state that priority would be given to
applicants who serve communities that are historically
underserved. In other words, the grant's terms encouraged
recipients to advance racial equity while working for harm
reduction, not the other way round - a crucial distinction
which many outlets got wrong."

Self-beatified 'arbiters of truth' would be dangerous in a
free society if they were not so pathetically incompetent-
they can't make the lie seem believable any more. pfffft.

I think a larger problem is that there are people inside our
government, bigots really, who wonder 'What can we give
Those People to shore up dwindling support for the
administration?' Not one black friend, acquaintance, vendor,
customer or family member I know uses crack pipes or
syringes. Maybe I'm an outlier in that but I think not.

[Frank Krygowski]

Tom, multiple people have explained that to you multiple times.

Although it's obvious you don't remember.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

Let's see: The very right wing CNS News reports that the program was
going to distribute crack pipes. To "prove" that they give a link to ...
what? The actual official documents that listed "crack pipes"?

Well, no, they link to yet another very right wing source, the
Washington Free Beacon. Does the Washington Free Beacon link to the
actual official documents? No, it merely claims some unnamed spokesman
for the program told WFB folks about crack pipes.

Pardon me if this sounds a lot like Tom's "memory" at work.

Now, is it possible that the program was going to provide crack pipes in
some way - say, for immediate temporary use in some facility? I don't
know. I suppose it could be analogous to the provision of clean needles
in certain facilities, to allow addicts controlled use of drugs during
treatment while reducing transmission of AIDS, hepatitis, etc. But I
don't know.

But can we not look at official documents to get a clue, instead of
bouncing around the far-right echo chamber?

And BTW, Andrew, one of your successes in these interminable off-topic
debates was to convince me that our current drug laws were horribly
ineffective and unproductive. You convinced me that properly done
legalization was a rational way forward.

But you are now complaining about this program? Because addicted folks
still use drugs? Are you now changing your mind?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

>>> Updated Mon-Sat by 8 pm ETâ€

>>> and
>>> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard
>>>
>>> excess deaths since 2/1/2020 1,023,916
>>>
>>> And... the Christian Bible includes the statement that,
>>> "there are
>>> none so blind as those that refuse to see".
>>>
>>
>>
>> *OT item below, ignore if you wish*
>>
>> Regarding 'fact check' ( i.e. propaganda) services, here's
>> the HSS initial report including the actual US Government
>> press release document:
>>
>> https://cnsnews.com/article/washington/michael-w-chapman/biden-hhs-fund-crack-pipe-distribution-part-30-million-harm
>>
>>
>> And here's the 'fact check'. Note: This is not from The
>> Onion, it's from their actual website 8 February 2022, but
>> has since been removed because even left wing politicians
>> screamed over the new policy proposal which was withdrawn:
>>
>> "In February 2022, right-leaning outlets reported
>> breathlessly that the Biden administration had plans to
>> fund the distribution of crack pipes in order to advance
>> the cause of racial equity...
>>
>> "Collectively, these articles gave readers a grossly
>> misleading and reductive presentation of what was a real
>> substance abuse harm reduction grant overseen by the Biden

>> administration in early 2022. We are issuing a rating of

>> 'Mostly False.'
>>
>> "It's true that the grant description required teh
>> provision of smoking kits - an established component of
>> harm reduction strategy - but in reality, those kits
>> constituted just one of several subcomponents of an even

>> longer list of requirements for grant recipients. In

>> other words, while outraged media coverage focused almost
>> exclusively on 'crack pipes', this was actually only a
>> very small part of the program.
>>
>> "Secondly, the provision of safer smoking supplies did not
>> have as its purpose advancing the cause of racial equity.
>> Rather its purpose was, quite logically, to reduce harm

>> and infection among existing drug users. However, the

>> grant description did state that priority would be given
>> to applicants who serve communities that are historically

>> underserved. In other words, the grant's terms

>> encouraged recipients to advance racial equity while
>> working for harm reduction, not the other way round - a
>> crucial distinction which many outlets got wrong."
>>
>> Self-beatified 'arbiters of truth' would be dangerous in a
>> free society if they were not so pathetically incompetent-
>> they can't make the lie seem believable any more. pfffft.
>>
>> I think a larger problem is that there are people inside

>> our government, bigots really, who wonder 'What can we

The HSS document was on that page:

https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/article_big/s3/2022-02/grant%20image%20.jpg

I am unfamiliar with CNS- don't know them. How about Yahoo
which was below it in a search:

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-outraged-30m-biden-plan-010656419.html

(for credibility, they spelled Sen. Marsha Blackburn's name
wrong..)

HSS walked that back the next morning under a PR disaster.
Here's Newsweek:
https://www.newsweek.com/why-biden-admin-handing-out-free-crack-pipes-1677439

I could barley follow the flipflops. From that page:

"Secretary Becerra clarified, "no federal funding will be
used directly or through subsequent reimbursement of
grantees to put pipes in safe smoking kits."

and:
"The 75-page application, which is still available to read
online, explains that eligible applicants for the grant
include state, local and tribal governments, as well as
tribal organizations and community-based organizations,
among others."

'still available' ?? took a while to find this at hhs.gov
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/12/08/samhsa-announces-unprecedented-30-million-harm-reduction-grant-funding-opportunity-help-address-nations-substance-use-overdose-epidemic.html

Lots about free syringes but no condoms or pipes or 'smoking
supplies'. Was it edited? Different grant? No idea.

More from Newsweek:
"One of the requirements for recipients of grant funding is
to purchase "equipment and supplies to enhance harm
reduction efforts." The application lists 20 examples.

These includes the "Safe smoking kits/supplies" that have
been the focus of some recent articles regarding crack
pipes. Other items on the list were infectious disease
testing kits, safe-sex kits, including PrEP resources and
condoms, syringes "to prevent and control the spread of
infectious diseases" and screening for infectious diseases.

The grant information does not mention pipes as part of safe
smoking kits or specify what those kits should contain. HHS
has now made clear that pipes will not be included."

Well, then. No crack pipes it seems. Oh! Next paragraph:

"However, pipes can sometimes be included in safe smoking
kits, according to the Associated Press (AP)."

Which is so much better because 'sometimes' is not 'always'.
Then again it isn't 'never' either. It's a wonder I
(taxpayer) can afford it.

carry on.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Jeff, you did Tommy's job before he came along and wrestled it from you and became the greatest, bestest, most wonderfulest at floor sweeping.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
The CDC says 912,757 people have died from Covid. As of 9:26 PM CDT February 11, 2022. Hard to misinterpret that. But I am sure you will try very hard for us.

[John B.]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 15:50:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Does any one else see this as a, well, a bit ludicrous? Coming from
>> that well known pinnacle of truth as our very own tommy?
>
>Tommy's continued existence is ludicrous, evidence that "god has a sick sense of humor"

I read something on another site, today, that might apply... something
like

"Thank God for the stupid. Someone has to fill out the lower curve on
the bell chart"

[John B.]

Interesting. I went to the HHS site that lists some
https://www.federalgrantswire.com/department-of-health-and-human-services-federal-grants-4.html#.YgcyZ1YxXQk

That is entitled
Department of Health and Human Services Federal Grants
Showing results of 4,205 for Department of Health and Human Services
federal grants, government grants and loans...

And Damn! I can't find a mention of the crack pipe grant.
Did I miss it?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Russy, I don't care what you are willing to believe from Fauci and that woman that is the actual head of the CDC. I know that you claim to be a economics major and yet you don't even have the slighted idea what a 16% increase in deaths would look like to the USA.

Also, with Biden starting a war with Russia, the military is going to want more bodies to throw on the fire and you're still under the age that the army will require. So you and Flunky should have a very good time in basic training for the army.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:28:13 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>There's the genius using Fact Checks again. I have yet to find one of them telling the entire truth.

Tom. That's progress. I didn't know that you actually read fact
check sites. I would have thought that if you find such sites to be
faulty, you would register your protest by not reading them. I guess
your opinion is more important than the content, so reading a fact
check site might be useful so that you can render a opinion. If
that's the case, you're forgiven.

>But that doesn't matter to little Jeffy who is in the business
>of lying to support his position.

Three problems here:
1. Why are your statements always in two disconnected phrases?
There's no connection between being in business and fact checking.
This is one form of a comma splice, where two unrelated thoughts are
glued together with a comma in order to make then appear to be
related.

2. Business is the art of separating customers from their money.
Lying to paying customers is generally bad idea because no customer
would pay me if they even suspected that I was lying. However, there
is one area where you might be able to lie and still be in business.
You can be an author of fiction, which is basically lying with a thin
veneer of entertainment. I believe you would do very well at writing
scientific fiction, how not to do it books, political fantasy novels,
and history re-written fiction. Self publishing might be a good way
to start. Instead of lying for the readers of RBT, you should
consider writing your lies for profit.

3. I've been very careful not to call you names or modify your name
into something objectionable. I've always referred to you as "Tom".
For the most part, you've afforded me the same courtesy. Suddenly,
you now find it necessary to belittle me by butchering my name and
prefixing it with the diminutive "little". I haven't changed my style
so something must have changed at your end. My guess is that you're
very proud of being rather tall, which is certainly beneficial in many
areas including cycling. My guess(tm) is that you decided to measure
your height and discovered that you were shrinking. Loss in height
due to spinal disk compression and loss of muscle mass is common past
age of about 50. I've lost about 2 inches in the past 20 years. I
assume your immediate reaction was to blame all the usual political
culprits for your reduction in stature. I suspect that conferring the
title of "title" to everyone you find disagreeable might be a suitable
compensation for your loss of altitude. Or, perhaps you were born
with a prejudice against short people that is only now appearing.

"Is height related to longevity?"
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12586217/>

"Evidence That Short People Live Longer"
<https://www.healthline.com/health/do-short-people-live-longer#the-science>

>Tell us Jeffy, since they haven't even yet shown that SARS-Cov-2 exists, how do they know that this was what caused raised levels of Factor V? What they KNOW is that some sort of respiratory disease that puts people on ventilators might or might not cause a rise in Factor V. And the ventilator itself may cause this since they were so fast to put people on ventilators even before they were required and almost no people on ventilators got off. And this is NOT unusual for people put on ventilators. This is why they now use methods other than ventilators unless it is absolutely necessary.

Nice change of topic. I've noticed that most of your rants, which are
longer than one sentence, tend to include an attempt to change the
subject to your favorite topics which allow you more flexibility for
lying, insulting, rewriting history, misinterpreting events and
demonstrating your vast knowledge. The problem with throwing bait
like this at your audience is that they eventually catch on and refuse
to bite.

Good luck with your career in fiction writing.

[ I enjoyed writing this. 45 minutes not totally wasted. ]

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:06:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>I suspect that conferring the
>title of "title" to everyone you find disagreeable

Oops. That should read:

>I suspect that conferring the

>title of "little" to everyone you find disagreeable
^^^^^^

[Tom Kunich]

Jeffy, you're a stupid piece of shit. If you look through the first dozens of Google searches they tell you that fact checkers are the most reliable and honest people around. But did into the depths and you find the real truth. https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/11/04/debunkers-debunked-who-fact-checks-fact-checkers-14378 - What does the American Council on Science and Health have to say? "We’ve found that PolitiFact often rates statements that are largely true but come from a GOP sources [sic] as 'mostly false' by focusing on sentence alterations, simple mis-statements, fact-checking the wrong fact, and even taking a statement, rewording it, and fact-checking the re-worded statement instead of the original quoted statement.

"Doing this takes time and many, many words."

You haven't the intellect to judge anything and yet that is what you try to convince people with every posting.

Let's Go Jeffy!

[John B.]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:30:26 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:06:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I suspect that conferring the
>>title of "title" to everyone you find disagreeable
>
>Oops. That should read:
>>I suspect that conferring the
>>title of "little" to everyone you find disagreeable
> ^^^^^^

On the other hand, tommy isn't always very clear in his pronouncements
so -perhaps- he might have said "tittle" when he actually meant
"little" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 15:07:23 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

Congratulations. You found a URL with a relevant comment. That might
be a first. As I mentioned, I'll wait for more fact checking from
other fact checkers. PolitiFact was the only site that commented on
Richard Hirschman and claims of unusual clotting.

Small problem. The only thing my initial comment has to do with fact
checkering is the possibility that you actually read the fact checker
article I had mentioned (from PolitiFact). Now, I'm wondering if you
read what I wrote as most of it had nothing to do with fact checking.

Also, if everything from PolitiFact comes from GOP sources, why did
they rate an article that favors the anti vax point of view with a
"Mostly False"?
"How the Anti-Vax Movement Is Taking Over the Right"
<https://time.com/6141699/anti-vaccine-mandate-movement-rally/>
Hint: Your ACSH article is from Nov 2019 (2.3 years ago) which is
before Covid-19 became an issue. Something may have changed at ACSH
between when the article you mentioned was written and today.

>"Doing this takes time and many, many words."
>
>You haven't the intellect to judge anything and yet that is what you try to convince people with every posting.

It doesn't take much "intellect" to pass judgment on your lack of
ability. I also don't try to convince readers of your lack of
ability. You do that quite nicely without any additional assistance.
All I do is identify your mistakes and the readers can easily judge
your abilities for themselves.

I'm only trying to convince people of one thing. That you are
consistently wrong and should be ignored. I've already succeeded in
demonstrating that by pointing out your numerous factual and
arithmetic errors. I don't need (or want) to tell people what to
think. I only provide the evidence and they can make their own
decisions. You do the opposite and only provide your opinion. Note
that there are others in RBT doing an equal or better job of pointing
out your errors.

>Let's Go Jeffy!

The original was "Let my people go".

[Tom Kunich]

There you go again Jeffy - the slave owners before the civil war and the Democrat Party after the civil war opposed every single civil right legislation without question. They then emasculated every bill they could starting with Eisenhower's Civil Rights Act of 1957 to the one of 1964 that Lyndon Johnson tried everything to stop and then when he couldn't he took credit for it passing. You little racist asses cannot escape the fate of history and each year more and more people are aware of history and you're right where you belong - in the trash can.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 17:00:47 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 4:42:11 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:

>> I'm only trying to convince people of one thing. That you are
>> consistently wrong and should be ignored.

Oops. That should be "convince people of two things".

>There you go again Jeffy - the slave owners before the civil war and the Democrat Party after the civil war opposed every single civil right legislation without question. They then emasculated every bill they could starting with Eisenhower's Civil Rights Act of 1957 to the one of 1964 that Lyndon Johnson tried everything to stop and then when he couldn't he took credit for it passing. You little racist asses cannot escape the fate of history and each year more and more people are aware of history and you're right where you belong - in the trash can.

Nice change of topic again. I was discussing your Politifact review
and your apparent loss of height, esteem, or both. The problem is
that your comments have nothing to do with anything previously
discussed. Could you explain how civil rights have something to do
with Politifact or loss of height?

You used the term "little racist". That might mean that you don't
like short people. Or, it might mean that you're not very certain of
your position and find it necessary to belittle me in order to elevate
your position. Or, it could mean that you took my advice, measured
your current altitude, and discovered that you had again shrunk in
height. Any or all of those might be the cause of your current
incoherence. Maybe things will be better for you after you wake up
from your current nightmare.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:44:18 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:27:05 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:12:46 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:58:14 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:42:50 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > a Federal Investigator I know would watch something happen in real life and then quote fact checkers to prove his own eyes and ears wrong. This has to be the definition of mental illness.
> > > > The mental illness is in the laughable claims that you know people you have never met. You know federal investigators, surgeons, lawyers....Sure sparky - I guess that would be "Mitty's Corollary".
> > > 'm still waiting for you to explain how I'm "misinterpreting" that CDC site. Seems like all you closeted queers no one knows anything but you. Until you're put on the spot of actually explaining yourself.
> > https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
> > The CDC says 912,757 people have died from Covid. As of 9:26 PM CDT February 11, 2022. Hard to misinterpret that. But I am sure you will try very hard for us.
> Russy, I don't care what you are willing to believe from Fauci and that woman that is the actual head of the CDC. I know that you claim to be a economics major and yet you don't even have the slighted idea what a 16% increase in deaths would look like to the USA.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
In 2020,
Number of deaths: 3,383,729
Death rate: 1,027.0 deaths per 100,000 population

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/nvsr70-08-508.pdf
In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered
in the United States, yielding a crude death rate of 869.7 per
100,000 population.

3,383,729 - 2,854,838 = 528,891 extra deaths in 2020. 528,891 / 2,854,838 = 18.5% increase in 2020 deaths over 2019 deaths.
1,027.0 - 869.7 = 157.3 extra deaths per 100K in 2020 over 2019. 157.3 / 869.7 = 18.1% increase in deaths per 100K.

The first webpage above says in 2020 350,831 died from Covid-19. So the extra 528,891 deaths in 2020 were not all due to Covid-19. 178,000 or so extra died from other causes.

A 16% or 18% as I calculate increase in deaths is about a half million extra dead people in 2020. That is what it looks like.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Congratulations Tommy. You made a semi factual statement. Up through the middle of the 20th century or so, 1950s-1960s, the Democratic party controlled the states in the southeastern part of the USA. They were the slave states. And then in the 1860s Republican Abraham Lincoln came along and started the Civil War and freed the slaves. All of that was 50 to 150 years ago. But today is 50+ years from then. And the two political parties in the USA have changed drastically. One could even factually say they are 100% opposite of the past.

[Tom Kunich]

I've lost height? You're a cripple incapable of riding a bicycle. You're probably incapable of walking further than from your chair to the doorway to look out and see that you should stay home.

[Tom Kunich]

Another believer in the great and powerful Fauci not even knowing who he is.

[Tom Kunich]

Again you show almost total inability with the English Language. I wonder if you really do have a job. No CEO in his right mind would allow reports across his desk with the nonsensical English you use.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

What is nonsensical about the paragraph, explanation, I wrote? I reread my posting, and it seems fairly straight forward what I wrote. The facts and points I wanted to put forth were clearly explained and enumerated. What do you not understand? And I use the term understand. I did not use the term disagree with. Those are two separate things.

[Tom Kunich]

Plainly you think that "All of that was 50 to 150 years ago. But today is 50+ years from then. And the two political parties in the USA have changed drastically. One could even factually say they are 100% opposite of the past." is English. "50+ years from then"? firstly it is 150+ years from then and secondly it was the White Democrat northern states that became so racist that a black man could not even get a normal job. The Unions wouldn't allow blacks or other minorities in and the best jobs they could get were manual labor of the grossest kinds. Until Dr. Martin Luther King changed things, blacks were held down as much as politically possible. James Earl Ray was from Illinois and had developed all of his prejudices there.

Even today in an attempt to look as if they are not the racist bums they are the Democrats attempted to make RACE a part of if you could be treated for covid-19.

I suggest you stop talking about anything other than bicycles since you clearly don't know shit from Shinola about anything else.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Yeah, they had it soooo much better in the Jim Crow south.
"Magazines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

[Tom Kunich]

Maye it will frighten you into staying away from those disease sites. On those questionnaires I had to fill out was the question "Do you have Herpes Simplex" and every queer answered "yes". And most of them had the antibiotic resistant mutation. Did you ever wonder why you had that rash?

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

???????? Tommy, the 1950s-1960s, which I wrote above in my reply were 52 to 72 years ago. I used "50 to 150 years ago" in my reply. I think that is acceptable. 1860, the start of the Civil War, was about 162 years ago. But I think "50 to 150 years ago" is acceptable enough. We can round a little bit.

Tommy, I agree the Democrat party was the party of racists during the Civil War and all the way up through the 1960s. I agree. The SE part of the USA was represented by Democrat representatives and senators. But things have changed drastically, 180 degree flip, in the past 50 or so years. Now the SE part of the USA is completely represented by Republicans and they are doing their best to bring back Jim Crow laws. And I agree the whole USA has had a very racist, discriminatory past. All parts. The now Democratic NE part of the USA has been racist in the past too. No one was innocent back then. But today and now and the future is what is important.

[John B.]

I get a bit amused about all the talk in the U.S. about racism as
USians when they visit a foreign country seem extremely racist. We see
them here, well not so much since the Covid thing, but previously, and
as a general statement USians are viewed, almost universally, as loud,
extremely impolite and "looking down" on the locals.

And, of course, the Asians smile and double the price (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

I'd be willing to bet they're cleaner than your little hell hole. I wouldn't be surprised to hear your house was infested dead cats and pet feces when someone sends authorities to your house a month after you die. That's what usually happens when an ignorant arrgoant old bastard with no life kicks the bucket - the cops get called beacuse of the stench from his rotting corpse. BTW - You'll be disposed of in a nameless grave in a biodegradable body bag, Now one will give a shit to hear you're dead.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 1:37:17 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> ???????? Tommy, the 1950s-1960s, which I wrote above in my reply were 52 to 72 years ago. I used "50 to 150 years ago" in my reply. I think that is acceptable. 1860, the start of the Civil War, was about 162 years ago. But I think "50 to 150 years ago" is acceptable enough. We can round a little bit.

It's no use trying to explain english to tommy. He imagines you've written hings that weren't there then builds a straw-man around it. The problem is that he's too stupid to realize everyone understands you perfectly, and we all see right through his lies

[Tom Kunich]

Russell, while I will agree that where ever you see upper end Democrats you have either very strong racism usually demonstrated by sometimes very strong discrimination, the entire basis of the Republican Party was and still is, non-discrimination. Do not point out exceptions to the rule in either side (JFK was strongly antiracist which is what got him assassinated for turning against the Democrat Party) and I'm sure that you could find a singular case of discrimination among Republicans.

You do not have a real strong understanding of history and few books cover it well (https://dailycaller.com/2022/02/11/victor-davis-hanson-ideology-ancient-enemy-civilization/) I was fortunate or perhaps unfortunate to actually live though the Democrat discrimination. I live my entire life in minority communities. And the only thing that Democrats did for them was to make gestures to gain votes. Lyndon Johnson made every attempt under the table to defeat JFK's civil rights act of 1964 and when that failed because the general population actually believe in the principles of Lincoln, he then took credit for it and that put the Democrats into power for most of the late 20th century. You simply cannot believe what Reagan did for this country. Without him Obama would have had little economy to ruin. Trump had made a good start at building a basis for a proper economy when the Democrats committed wholesale election fraud to stop it. A poor and helpless population is easier to control. You need only look at the damage of Obama to see that cold blooded attempt.

We have seen two modern attempt to instill fear in a population heretofore immune to fear. The none existent man-made global warming, and the non-existent extra danger of covid-19. I have shown you with the CDC data that covid-19 while being an illness was no more dangerous than the seasonal flu to anyone other than very old and very sick people.

Were you willing to give up everything you worked for to protect yourself from the flu?

The local TV station had a program about the building of the San Francisco sea wall which was built to allow the filling in of what became the financial district in San Francisco. After years of claiming sea level rise, in the old photos and even films you could plainly see NO CHANGE in sea level in 100 years.

This is like bike companies trying to convince you that you can go faster by putting more aerodynamic drag of disk brakes and more weight of them because stopping faster makes you go faster.

You, like Frank, seem perfectly intelligent people that have been mislead entirely by ideology rather than rational thought. I think that you should try more of the latter.

I can expect those sorts of things from Flunky and John since they are both very low on the IQ scale. Or Jeff who argues that an IQ test performed by the military is a different thing than one taken for college entrance. Believe me, the job that John claims to have had with such pride, was paper pusher and nothing else. Flunky talks about being the head of technicians. That too is a paper pusher. He plainly had no technical knowledge and has shown it in his continuous outbursts of stupidity. I could have designed marine radios (granted, at that time using vacuum tubes) in the 6th grade. I did design and build ham radios for whatever that is worth. (40 meters). I wouldn't say it worked well but a neighbor used it for a long time. I could never work up the interest to get a ham license because Morse Code was just too boring to learn for the 5 wpm or whatever it was.

[John B.]

Well, perhaps, as you say, I have a very low IQ... But Tommy, what
does that make you?

After all I have to correct most of your wild eyed statement with
facts that show that you seldom, if ever, know what you are talking
about.
--
Cheers,

John B.